As early as when the Tesla Model S was just launched, it achieved an achievement that was almost unimaginable for a new car manufacturer. I'm not talking about bringing full-size electric cars to the market, nor are I talking about making seven-seater cars that will attract Ferrari to accelerate. What I want to say is that the Tesla Model S has an excellent safety rating of 5.4 by the NHTSA-this score is too high, and it effectively "breaks" the organization's five-star standard.

Tesla’s safety problem in the laboratory seems to have been resolved, but-nearly 10 years have passed-we finally have some real-world data to view, the result is not your opinion of a "highest" car Expectations. The safety level of any tested car".

I mean, unless you expect the Model S's death rate to be nearly 160 times that of the Chevrolet Bolt.

The Tesla death record claims to be a record of a Tesla accident involving the death of the driver, occupant, cyclist, motorcyclist, or pedestrian, regardless of whether the driver was at fault. This is an extremely comprehensive record that contains links to incident reports and can even provide news reports on specific events. And, when you visualize these data, optics is very, very bad for Tesla.

At first glance, the graph is very shocking. Tesla’s electric cars produce obituaries exponentially faster than companies such as Nissan or Chevrolet.

When I saw something so crazy, I started looking at the data itself to see what I could understand or dig holes. In this case, I think Tesla sells a lot of cars—for example, a lot of cars—so this may be related to the fact that there are more Tesla plug-in cars on the road than Nissan LEAF or Chevrolet Bolt. The problem is, the opposite is true.

Look at these "sales and deaths" figures for 2021.

"Tesla clearly stands out," wrote Davi Ottenheimer of Security Boulevard, who compiled these numbers based on IIHS data. "From another perspective, the Chevrolet Volt (known as a small 4-door car) has sold 157,125 vehicles over the past ten years (2010-2020), but the total death toll is only 7.

In Nissan LEAF, the mortality rate is 1:3865. In the Tesla Model 3, it is 1:592. In the larger Model S? The highest safety car ever? It is now 1:128.

In some countries, your risk of dying from Model S is greater than the risk of dying from COVID-19... So, for example, what happened here?

The fact is indisputable. According to Tesla, more people died of Tesla than many other cars-electric cars or other cars. This may seem strange for many reasons, of course, but the most prominent thing to me is the company's stock price and the initial 5-star safety rating. So, let's start with the latter?

"Independent testing by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has awarded Tesla Model S a 5-star safety rating, not only the overall safety rating, but also in every subcategory without exception," Tesla said in 2013 Reads in the original press release. "Of all the cars tested by the federal government, approximately 1% of the cars received a comprehensive 5-star rating. NHTSA does not publish a star rating higher than 5, but in the overall vehicle safety score (VSS) provided to manufacturers , The safety rating is higher than 5 stars, and Model S has reached a new comprehensive record of 5.4 stars."

This is a great line, at least, the media ate it.

This is not the only great route that Tesla's capable public relations team has come up with. Five years later, when the more mainstream Tesla Model 3 was launched, Tesla once again hyped its NHTSA test-this time with the title "Model 3 achieves the lowest probability of injury among all vehicles tested by NHTSA."

They even include a chart.

So, why is it that the two cars with the lowest probability of injury on the road are among the cars with the highest death rate? Let me give you a clue, this is definitely not because of Tesla’s controversial "fully autonomous driving" beta or autonomous driving technology.

"Based on the conclusions of the completed and ongoing NHTSA investigations, as well as expert testimony in court cases related to specific car accidents," the Tesla Deaths homepage reads. "The total number currently confirmed is 10 accidents resulting in 10 deaths. In other words, according to Reuters' FOIA requirements, in the United States alone, NHTSA has investigated at least 7 other events. Our data set contains seven possible events ."

So, it is (probably) not an autonomous driving function-is the problem with the level of safety itself? After all, it is absolutely possible to participate in the NHTSA test by strengthening the chassis at the exact location hit by the crash test. However, you don't have to believe my words. Take Tesla as an example.

“By strengthening the car in the exact location where the regulatory testing machine is used, the regulatory testing scores can be controlled to some extent,” the 2013 press release I mentioned read. However, it is worth noting that Tesla made this statement to defend its 5.4 points. Subsequently, "After passing internal tests to verify that the Model S will reach the NHTSA 5-star rating, Tesla then analyzed the Model S To determine the weakest points in the car, no matter how the test equipment is configured, and retest in these locations until the car gets 5 stars."

So, assuming that Tesla’s heart is in the right place, it does make some truly safe cars-this is what NHTSA and IIHS have said, despite some public relations issues-and self-driving cars are not hit there. Around the potential John Connors, there is really only one possible cause for all these Tesla deaths, isn't it?

I bought my '73 Super Beetle around 2001. It is an interesting car, but this is not the content of this story. So, this story is about my uncle Ron, from whom I inherited the popular "bug" (see what I did there?).

Look, Ron told me that Volkswagen created the Super Beetle—a Type I with a MacPherson strut instead of the torsion bar front suspension—as a response to Ralphnader’s anti-car classic, any speed It's not safe, this is due to the rear-Corvair's engine processing dynamics to deal with some traffic fatal accidents. "With that suspension," Ron said, "it's impossible to flip that car."

From that moment on, the '73 Super was driven as if it had been rented, then stolen, then sold with a fake VIN, then rented out, and then stolen again. That car spent most of the time driving sideways, and there were more love bugs on the door than on the windshield—and, I assure you, you can flip the Super Beetle.

However, I was still young at the time-not a father yet, definitely a bastard (more than now, yes). Back then, I challenged "You can't flip that car", just as I still challenged "You can eat". Now, imagine there are many people like me. Children who are too big, regardless of the safety of the people around them, are willing to endanger themselves and others for the pleasure of a car, and give them a 10-second car.

Next, tell them that the car for 10 seconds is safe. It's like, my goodness, you guys are too safe. It is so safe that it is the safest car ever. once!

Sprinkle a little bit of self-righteous environmentalism, and you have the secret of disaster.

Guys, I don’t think the car is the problem. If so, I think the stratospheric stock price I mentioned earlier will be swallowed up by the payment of false death claims. No, the problem here is not the loose nut, but the nut behind the wheel.

This is my opinion-but you are the best and the smartest. You tell me if you think I figured this out.

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High speed also usually occurs before Tesla catches fire.

But in any accident, Tesla will still be the safest vehicle, even if it cannot save yourself.

"Even if it can't save yourself."

In the new "awakening" normal, this is not an option-everyone is a victim. If you are still with us, please feel free to sue Tesla.

In this analysis, the number of deaths per mile traveled will be the most useful statistical data. For example, you cannot compare the annual number of deaths in Asia with the number of white deaths in Japan. The per capita comparison will be meaningful.

Or, as Paul Harvey once said, “many or most” people who died of electric cars are dying of Tesla. It seems to make a valid point, but it is absolutely meaningless.

Part of me also thinks that Tesla drivers' lives may be less. Fingers crossed on the upcoming Audi e-tron and Ford Mach-e numbers.

It's horrible, I can't get myself to agree, but I did laugh. XD

According to your writing, you seem to be someone who wants American companies to succeed. But do you support Audi?

There are a lot of things to unzip here. Is this just going against the trend? If Ford becomes the new Tesla, would you feel the same for them?

Tesla is the new Ford. It manufactured the first mass-produced mobile device. Remember, there will be no personal cars in the future, there will be mobile solutions. Tesla is the first in history.

I don't know if I can agree with this evaluation. I personally think this is a combination of driver mentality and inattention. There are more Teslas in Honolulu than Camrys (ironically, but only slightly), and I have never seen a Tesla being driven irregularly. They are always driven like other people in traffic, if not more sedate. If anything, there is an astronomical percentage of cars on the roads with body damage due to reasons I won’t explain publicly, because I don’t want to fight stereotypes, even new cars, Tesla seems to have never been damaged.

Lord Musk needs to call Dearborn about this, and I think if they clear the Pinto files, they can give him a number.

I have no idea. How many deaths does TTAC consider acceptable? Almost every day, Healy allows Poskey to retell various conspiracy theories about vaccines and wearing masks that have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

"The grown-up children don't care about the safety of the people around them" sounds like a perfect description of Healy and Posky.

...Well, it seems you got a salary from a large pharmaceutical company. Stay away from my beagle. As for Tesla to figure out the level of tolerance for death to dollar losses, there is a wireless software fix.

Depending on what you say, there is a Jewish space laser ready to take you out...If Gates’ microchip didn’t tame you first, then it is.

Well, as a windmill cancer survivor...

OMG, I agree with Posky. Tesla did attract a$$hats that far exceeded its share, and they accelerated a$$hats to 120 mph within a few blocks, turning a normal Mustang roadside accident into a fatal crash.

But Posky would not agree with my solution: Geofences limit acceleration and speed wherever pedestrians are allowed (all cars, not just Teslas).

Last Friday night, another driver was driving at a speed of more than 70 miles per hour (speed limit 25) on a street near me. He lost control when trying to illegally overtake another car and hit my neighbor’s Audi A3. Then bounce it onto the sidewalk. After flying another 100 feet along the sidewalk, he pulled out a tree and stopped. No one was on the sidewalk at the time (it was easy to use because it was the main route to the nearby park) and it was sheer luck. A3 has been completed, but we are grateful that no one was injured. There is no reason for a car to drive at 70 mph on the streets of my neighborhood.

Did Tesla replace BMW as the preferred d-bag car?

Depends on BMW. X5 M d-bags still drive them, but all 440i and M4 d-bags went to Tesla due to the 0-60 numbers.

Here are some ideas-Tesla is usually the first choice for people who hate cars and driving. I often see behaviors that look like the driver is not participating in the experience.

It is worth noting what caused the death of Tesla compared with other cars. Many of their accidents were made public due to the "lightning rod" of this car. I remember some deaths: vs. bridge abutment (more than once), vs half-stop (more than once), vs in front of building (at least once), and stop Ambulances (more than once)-these are the fatalities I remember related to Tesla, basically these represent objects that Tesla cannot move or can hardly move-the ambulance may be 15k pounds, so it’s hard to say here And in front of the building. I remember that most of the pictures I saw were models. I don’t think I remember seeing the death pictures of Model 3, even though they happen much more frequently according to that chart.

It would be interesting to see the breakdown by reason, but my guess is that it is not interested and inattentive + distracting interior + lack of speed cues (very quiet and isolated) + confidence in autonomous driving may not be fully mature.

It is also helpful to look at the number of accidents involving Tesla cars compared to other cars that are not necessarily fatal accidents-such as carfax reports-which will help distinguish whether it is an unsafe car or unsafe behavior.

Just for comparison-Chevrolet Cobalt with such a bad mortality rate has only 117 deaths per million registration years on each wiki-I don't know how many "registration years" are also translated above, but it must be better than cobalt.

"Tesla is often the first choice for people who hate cars and driving."

Demographic data shows that the average number of miles driven by Tesla owners is much lower than average, and they are usually driven by relatively wealthy adults who can work from home and avoid commuting. I speak fluently, but there are many statistics to support it.

Will people who don't care about cars and driving buy really expensive high-performance cars? It doesn't make much sense.

Compared with drivers of luxury cars at the same price, Tesla owners drive less? Presumably, S-class Mercedes drivers tend to live near the office because they can afford it.

Therefore, Tesla owners of S, X, and Y are 54 years old on average, and their annual income is twice the average (approximately 150,000). They often work farther than average and work remotely for longer. 75% have no children (this is unusual for an age population). The largest bicycle traded among all Tesla brands is Toyota, followed by Honda, then BMW, and then Ford. For Tesla 3, the cars with the highest transaction volume are Honda Civic and Accord, Prius, Leaf and BMW 3 series. For their salary range, their proportion of "self-employed professionals" is much higher than the average.

I'm not saying that all Tesla owners hate cars, I'm saying that people who hate cars and driving tend to see Tesla as their favorite exceptional car. Check out the comments on the "inside ev's" forum and other places. It doesn’t look like the Hellcat racers on youtube at all.

Drive twice as often as owners of luxury cars at the same price?

Tesla owners are usually nerds, tech geeks, degree professionals, etc., who are not known for their love of driving.

The gimmick of "autonomous driving" is completely useless to me, but for a part of the driving public, it is like moths to a fire.

Your comments about tech geeks reminded me of a now-dead Model 3 owner in the Bay Area. He used the autopilot in the construction area, and due to the degradation of the lane markings, the car shared the difference at Y and hit him at the end of the obstacle in Jersey. More importantly, a few days ago, he complained to Tesla about Autopilot's improper behavior in the same place. This guy is a software engineer. After the first bad experience, he should know not to trust cars.

However, he was sold a self-driving car with an "autopilot".

I can't sell a rat poison called "candy" and want to avoid responsibility, no matter how many times I explain that I can't eat it.

I just don't understand how he can get away with it for so long.

If your rat poison says "Don't eat; NOT FOR HUMAN consumption" on the label, then you can sell it.

Similarly, AP tells drivers to remain vigilant at all times to meet their SAE level 2 capabilities.

The *name* of AutoPilot is misleading, but the feature does not claim to be more than it.

Technically speaking, legally speaking, yes, who cares anyway?

But what is certain is that Tesla sales staff tell buyers that the car is self-driving, ignoring the stupid legal content proposed by the lawyer, the stupid culture of our lives, and so on.

They are dealing with buyers who may be geniuses in their chosen field, but are not so car-savvy, well, stupid and eat BS before serving.

I think you are referring to the Model X driver. His car hit an obstacle that has not been repaired since it was taken out by Prius or something a week ago.

But yes, the Associated Press was engaged.

How about comparing the death rate of each collision? The question is how to consider the severity/type of collision.

Sales and deaths in 2021 are a useless indicator. Except for Plaid, Tesla almost no longer sells S. The number of deaths per million miles or something similar will be more important. Tesla has sold about 160k S in the United States (according to Wikipedia). I suspect that this ratio is still above average, but the chart above is just stupid.

The idiot did not even get the correct sales figures. This is fabricated data and comparison. Obviously tend to be biased against Tesla. In fact, they are trying to compare them with other electric vehicles. Another stupid thing is to compare Tesla's collisions for all years with Tesla's sales in 2021. Even so, idiots got the 2021 sales wrong. What kind of incompetent statistician would do this. Comparing annual sales in a particular year with vehicle accidents in all years, what meaningful comparison will you get?

I admit that I did not read the entire article, but the chart caught my attention and I read the part twice. This is rubbish.

Their source comes from a website called "tesladeaths". There is no prejudice. Are these deaths only related to cars sold in 2021? How is the mileage? Different states and countries have different ways of calculating the death toll. Is the data standardized by state and country?

Oh wait, TeslaDeaths confessed frankly that it counts the death of anyone involved in Tesla, regardless of malfunction or cause. Falling off the roof, driving Tesla to the hospital, and then dying in the hospital? Tesla's fault. Did they do the same to all other vehicles?

The source is absurd. At the very least, extract data from official sources (re-standardized), not from the organization responsible for the chip.

When did you accept that this is natural selection? If you are so stupid to believe that Autopilot or FSD test versions work, it is difficult to sympathize with them. Sadly, they sometimes take away innocent people. I still think that when Tesla drivers have Autopilot or "FSD beta", the car needs a siren to notify everyone around that this idiot cannot control the vehicle there. Let them hit a white wall by themselves, away from those who don’t want to participate in the Elon experiment

I think horsepower and acceleration are important parts of the problem. The speed of fatal accidents is usually much higher than the 40 mph during the test. Historically, there are few powerful cars, usually 2 seats, and not daily commuters. Is it just that these high-efficiency family cars that people commute to work, with all the pressure and frustration that come with it, have more than 500 horsepower on a whim? Perhaps high-power cars should comply with higher safety standards, just like racing cars. Maybe there should be a sliding ratio for their crash test speeds related to horsepower. Just throw an idea.

Joe Boras. This story is an example of why I keep coming back to TTAC. No one would write such a story. Congratulations.

I think the typical Tesla driver is a software engineer in Silicon Valley who has just disembarked from Bangalore or Shanghai and has obtained a driver's license in the past five years.

Tesla's safety statement does mimic the safety statement made when the Cirrus aircraft was first launched. Like Tesla, Cirrus is fast and slippery (low drag coefficient) compared to its competitors. Cirrus has a built-in ballistic parachute, you can pull the parachute in an emergency, and the aircraft will contact the ground in a controlled manner. It is touted as the safest general aviation (GA) aircraft. It also has other safety features such as single-throttle/propeller control, anti-stall wings and fixed landing gear. All these safety features should make it the safest general aviation aircraft, but it was not initially the case. In fact, in the first few years of production, its mortality rate was alarmingly high. As the article implies, if you buy the safest car (or airplane), you may be complacent. Others may say that there is a tendency to show off for any new high-priced product. Fortunately, with the increased training recommendations from the factory, Cirrus has proven to be a safe aircraft. Hope that Tesla cars can also prove to be safe.

Here are some interesting data:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2019/05/14/fatal-attraction-these-are-the-deadliest-cars-on-the-road/

Corvette has the second highest death rate per billion miles. But I also heard that their premiums are very cheap, because people who buy their sneakers and white sneakers rarely collide. Do they rarely crash, but the few crashes that occur are fatal?

A Tesla driver I know may have this stereotype. I saw this man's video, and I think his wife is driving a Model 3. They descended from the salt flats west of Salt Lake City and rushed to the top of the mountain, losing control, speeding more than 100 miles per hour. The car just slid left and right (a few 360 degrees if I remember correctly), didn't flip, and then stopped. When it was all over, the driver and passengers were dizzy and giggling like 10-year-olds. Seriously, in their view, they are just playing exciting games in the amusement park, rather than cheating death on a very powerful and potentially deadly machine.

"Hey, as long as you don't explode their chips, will they be fine? They can get a new sleeve."

Some (all?) Teslas have electrically extended exterior door handles, which have proven to be prone to failure. This prevents rescuers from reaching the passengers after the accident. They have not yet come up with a mechanical cover.

Elon Musk is a billionaire with autism. He has no ability to care about others. (Maritime Organization)

The big sellers-Model 3 and Model Y-have handles that can be pulled out by hand.

You are considering the old Model S and Model X, which are small batch products.

But well, the ruthless Mr. Musk is still allowed to build a spacecraft to dock with the International Space Station.

Davi Ottenheimer (Davi Ottenheimer) presented some major problems with the numbers. For example, NHTSA shows that in the United States alone, as of 2019 (the latest available), 20 Nissan Leaf vehicles were involved in fatal accidents (that is, the number of vehicles, not the number of bodies). [The number of 218 "tesladeaths" is the highest in history in the world-155 are in the United States, and these two figures are the number of bodies, not the number of vehicles. ]

Some of the points you made (for example, driver behavior) might still be valid at the end of the day? But the numbers need to be adjusted.

If my math is correct, all Tesla US numbers for "tesladeaths" through 2019 are 83 (deaths, not vehicles). NHTSA shows that as of 2019, 82 Tesla vehicles (vehicles, not deaths) have had fatal motor vehicle accidents in the United States. So these numbers are *approximately* consistent ("tesladeaths" may miss some, as I understand them, they rely on news reports of death information).

TL;DR: tesladeaths.com is a fairly reasonable source of information about Tesla-related deaths, but not a good source (or even close to) non-Tesla information. (If you check the purpose behind the site, it makes perfect sense.)

If you want to learn more, this is your first homework: https://cdan.nhtsa.gov/query'Vehicles' tab, under "Select Time Frame", select all available years, under "Select Vehicle Make and Model Select Tesla under "Build Your Report", drag "Crash Date (Year)" to "Row", drag "vPic: Vehicle Make and Model" to "Column", and then click "Submit"

Over time, you will see 82 Tesla cars subdivided by Model (yes, there are some interesting trends to watch).

Of course, if you are interested, you can modify your query in any way.

Or, you can keep it at the surface level and get other people's popular works at face value. Your choice-this is America. :-)

Mr. @ToolGuy, you only need to submit under TL/DR: I am one of the richest special editors in TTAC; when numbers and letters are combined, I will feel all kinds of confusion.

I think the real measure is to compare the number of deaths per million (or billion) kilometers of each model. It makes more sense to test all models, not just electric vehicles. Most other electric cars on the road are not enough to get a good data set.

Guys, the reason is suffocation by inhaling my ass.

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